Everything Wikipedia Doesn’t Want You To Know About The Palmer Squares

Over the summer, I wrote a Wikipedia page for The Palmer Squares. Wiki rejected it because it lacked citations from “in-depth third-party major news” sources and used instead what they deemed “trivial announcements and passing mentions.” Although curated by a third party, Wikipedia considers the interviews I cited as invalid sources. After arguing with them about this understanding of an interview and submitting several more edits to no avail, I gave up on the project.

Then, Mr. Stank Face showed me a group with objectively less media coverage who had a Wikipedia page. It didn’t say much about the group beyond a simple introduction. The only sources were brief articles from OK-Tho. So I scrapped all the information that cited interviews and paired it down to just that which I could find in articles. After waiting a few weeks for the article to get reviewed, I heard back. It was rejected once again.

Today, I spent a good hour or so in the Wikipedia chat rooms trying to convince them they had made a mistake. I explained how I had carved the post down to a mere paragraph of information cited exclusively from reputable sources. No longer able to cite my lack of sources as their reason for rejection, they argued the post no longer showed The Palmer Squares’ notability. I showed them the articles of less established acts that they had approved. In the end, all that came of the interaction was a promise from Wikipedia to take down the articles on the less established acts.

So, rather than try to find a balance between showcasing notability and having reputable sources — one I am beginning to think may not exist — I thought I would just share the information here. Below is the full article, not just the few sentences I was left with after cutting out the “biased” sources. It is more or less a one-stop shop for all the information The Palmer Squares have ever shared about themselves in interviews. This isn’t as grand an accomplishment as getting accepted into Wikipedia’s cannon, but it’s functionally the same. And, until The Palmer Squares “has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself” this will have to do.

The Palmer Squares is a Chicago-based hip hop duo composed of Terminal Knowledge (Seth Zamost) and Acumental (Matt Brands).[1] After gaining traction in the underground hip hop community through various cyphers, the group made their official full-length debut with the 2013 album Finna.[2] The project was released through the independent record label they created called Stank Face Records through which they have since released their sophomore album Planet of The Shapes.[3]

Personal Lives

Matt Brands

Born January 6th, 1988 Matt Brands grew up in Chicago as an only child.[2] He was first exposed to Hip Hop at age nine when he saw the world premier of The Wu Tang Clan‘s “Killa Beez.”[1] He went to Columbia College for Video Something and now uses that degree to do freelance video editing. His mother was initially against him pursuing a career hip hopping, but now affectionately refers to herself as Momumental.[4]

Seth Zamost

Born in 1990, Seth Zamost comes from a family rich with musical talent. His father, Paul Zamost, played bass in a Chicago punk band called The Effigies.[2] In addition, his two older brothers, Zach and Ian are musicians in their own right.[4] For the first two years of his rap career, Seth kept it secret from his parents until one of his older brothers mistakenly disclosed Seth’s hobby at the dinner table. Upon finding out about the hobby, his parents were unsurprised and supportive.[4] Seth went to the American Academy of Arts for illustration.

Music Career

High School

Seth Zamost and Matt Brands first crossed paths in elementary school at a mutual friend’s birthday party.[5] Two years apart in age, it was not until high school, when Seth’s older brother Ian invited Matt over, that they truly met. That night they bonded by watching WWE together and officially became friends after Matt showed Seth his D-Lo Brown impersonation.[6] The first song they made together was a parody of Rich Boy‘s hit “Throw Some D‘s” titled “Throw Some Cheese.”[7] While never planning on taking hip hop seriously, they obliged their friend’s demands to continue making music for their entertainment.[6] To this day, they humbly maintain that they are no good at making music, but continue anyways because they and their listeners enjoy it, using said dissonance as a way to inspire others to pursue their passions unapologetically.[1]


As they became more familiar with the hip hop community, they began to realize that they could compete with and, in some ways, outperform the top tier commercial rappers their friends idolized.[5] To that end, they started uploading long-winded single-take videos of them delivering dizzying rhymes dense with wordplay to YouTube.[4] Finding the standard 16 bar verse too restrictive, they soon began to push themselves to deliver anywhere between 24 and 52 bars per verse. Doing so built them a devoted fan base and eventually garnered the attention of YouTube-famous emcee Wax who would inevitably call them out on a cypher, legitimizing their craft.[6] They have since made an effort to evolve beyond the confines of the cypher community.[4] Still, they continue to post music videos and vlogs on their YouTube channel which currently boasts nearly 11.6 million total views.[8]

Stank Face Records

On May 8th, 2012, The Palmer Squares made their official debut with their Spooky Language EP. Touting George Carlin as a major inspiration, it was only fitting that their debut project was structured around quotes from the boundary testing comedian known for his ability to balance social commentary and hilarity.[2] The debut, as well as its follow-up Square Tactics, were released independently.

October 22, 2013 found The Palmer Squares releasing their first official full-length project Finna. While the EPs were each entirely produced by a single creative, Nate Kiz and D.R.O. respectively, Finna found The Squares diversifying their production styles.[3] This release also marked the debut of their independent label Stank Face Records. Since its founding, the label has added fellow Chicago rappers Will is Chillin’, Rebel Legato, Bruce Bayne, Loud Mouth, and producer Irineo.[9]

In October of 2014, Stank Face Records released the all-inclusive collaborative album Face Melt. Each track on the project featured as few as two or as many as six Stank Face rappers delivering their verses over production from fellow Stank Face member Irineo, frequent collaborators D.R.O. and Tommy Bazooka, or the new name, Drew Mantia. Drew Mantia would go on to become an integral part of Stank Face Records, producing a good amount of its material and mixing and mastering all of it. So integral in fact, that he has been called the “Third Square.”[3] Even while collaborating, The Palmer Squares continued to work on their sophomore album.

On May 27th, 2015, having made more music than they could fit on one project, The Palmer Squares released their polished, near-studio quality In Context mixtape. All that separated it from being an album was their decision to release it for free and the ensuing reduction in promotional efforts.[3] It was not until May 25th, 2016 that The Palmer Squares released their long awaited official Finna follow-up Planet of The Shapes. Boasting features from Watsky and fellow Chicago emcee Psalm One, the album explored the bounds of The Palmer Squares’ sound. Even so, it was warmly received by their fanbase. For a couple of kids from Chicago who never wanted to do anything more than have fun rhyming words with other words, The Palmer Squares are doing alright.[6] As they continue to work towards their goal of becoming professional musicians, fans will continue to reap the benefits of what currently remains just a hobby.[10]


Studio Albums

Title Album Details
Finna ·       Released: October 22, 2013

·       Label: Stank Face Records

·       Formats: CD and Digital Download

Planet of The Shapes ·       Released: May 25, 2016

·       Label: Stank Face Records

·       Formats: CD and Digital Download


Title Mixtape Details
First That, Now This ·       Released: December 2, 2010

·       Label: Independent

·       Formats: Digital Download

In Context ·       Released:  May 27, 2015

·       Label: Stank Face Records

·       Formats: Digital Download


Title EP Details
Spooky Language ·       Released: May 8, 2012

·       Label: Independent

·       Formats: Digital Download

·       Entirely produced by Nate Kiz

Square Tactics ·       Released: December 11, 2012

·       Label: Independent

·       Formats: Digital Download

·       Entirely produced by D.R.O.


  1. FlipJackson1591 (2010-12-07), Interview with The Palmer Squares, retrieved 2016-07-23
  2. Stephanie Mac Donald (2014-03-14), The Palmer Squares Interview, retrieved 2016-07-23
  3. “The Palmer Squares: The Plums of Hip Hop”. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  4. “The Top 9 Reasons To Love Rap Duo, The Palmer Squares”. 2013-07-09. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  5. “Hip Hop: The Palmer Squares are The Most Intriguing Up-and-Comers in Rap [EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW]”. 2015-08-10. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  6. “[OT Exclusive] The Palmer Squares Interview | One Throne”. 2012-04-09. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  7. Editor, Rascal (2012-11-09). “TUNES — The Palmer Squares Prove It’s Hip to be Square (Or Maybe They Just DGAF)”. RASCALmagazine. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  8. “The Palmer Squares”. YouTube. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  9. “Stank Face Records”. SoundCloud. Retrieved 2016-07-23.
  10. Erik (2013-01-04). “Erik Torenberg: The Palmer Squares”. Erik Torenberg. Retrieved 2016-07-23.


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